Michael Osterholm is the founder and director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota. His 2017 book, Deadliest Enemy: Our War Against Killer Germs, was recently republished with a new foreword about COVID-19. Mark Olshaker is a co-author.

Interview highlights
    • On anticipating a second, worse wave of COVID cases
    • On the conflicting messages of some places reopening while others remain in lockdown
    • On how COVID-19 transmission from surfaces is unlikely (and you can stop wiping down your packages)
    • On the risk of transmission from the outdoor 
    • On Trump’s forthcoming indoor campaign rally in Tulsa, Okla., at a venue that holds 19,000 people
    • On how to assess risk based on general airflow
    • On why we need more data to understand the transmission exposure time
    • On why he wouldn’t recommend getting an antibody test
Driven by the Data

In this episode, Dr. Osterholm and host Chris Dall discuss the role that asymptomatic individuals might play in COVID-19 transmission, the issue of repeat PCR testing and “chronic infection,” the latest updates on masks, and studies assessing the effectiveness of shutdowns in reducing illness. 

Amy Salit and Joel Wolfram produced the audio of this interview.
Bridget Bentz, Molly Seavy-Nesper, Meghan Sullivan and Carmel Wroth adapted it for the Web article.

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